devang77
06-09 11:27 PM
I am not on estrogen therapy, but I decided to write about the feelings that I underwent during the 3 days of the event. If you do not want to read the entire post, skip to the last paragraph.
1. Anxiety: On Sunday, as I was making my way towards Hyatt Regency on the Capitol Hill (a beautiful and an expensive hotel) I was a little anxious about meeting new people (I am a closet introvert :D ). I was not sure if the people would just continue the non-productive conversations about Eb3 vs EB2 or India vs ROW or just be plain annoying. Boy, was I wrong!!! That anxiety disappeared in a matter of minutes after walking in the situation room. The folks were dedicated and meant business. The leadership of the core group was evident, they made sure that we didn't go off message, relatively an easy task for them since most of us there realized the importance of keeping on message.
2.Excitement: As we started the training, people started pouring great ideas (and few not so great IMHO).The trainer in chief chased each of these ideas to its logical conclusion and without saying whether they had merit or not made it obvious for us to decide. How classy and what a phenomenal coaching style!. The talking points that we discussed were articulated meticulously and question/comments were dealt with insight, experience and facts (this one is very important, we all know what opinions are like...). This was the one feeling (excitement) that lasted through the 3 days and I still cant shake it off (not that I am trying, but I don't want people to confuse me for the energizer bunny!! - we have some one else for that ;))
3.Nervousness: The first meeting. No, no not with the folks from Congress, but the mock meeting at the training session. The veterans gave us a demonstration of their insights/ knowledge and quick wit. So of course I was nervous coming in after that performance. I volunteered to be on the first ones of these mock sessions and felt all eyes in the room on me. I tried to focus on the task at hand (which was at that time, to stop my legs from shaking ;)). Perhaps, the mock session was the toughest of all the meetings that I had on the hill (remember that the hotel was 'on the hill' too :)).
4.Awesomeness: This is what it was all about. For me as a first timer, entering the hallowed halls of congress and participating in the democratic process up close and personal is an awesome feeling. Just walking down those corridors and noticing the closed doors with signs that say 'Appropriations Committee', or 'Democratic Caucus' and knowing that laws that affect lives of more than 300 million people are being crafted, debated and being voted on right there....what a rush. I think this too will be with me for a long long time.
5.Camaraderie: This is a fun bunch of serious people on a mission. I think mostly everyone hit off well with everyone else. I made a whole bunch of acquaintances that I feel could mature into strong friendships. Even though we worked our collective butts off, there was always light hearted humor floating around. It was great.
6.Gratitude: Looking at the hard work put in by the countless tireless volunteers was a humbling experience. These very kind souls put in hour after hour of work during the event but they put in even more before the event started. I don't know, if the rest of you know, organizing an event at such a scale is a massive undertaking and despite hiccups we came out the other end in great shape. My gratitude goes to all the people that put their hearts, minds and souls in allowing our community to participate in the democratic process at the highest level. Thanks for making this happen.
Why am I writing this you wonder (or may be not). This event changed me. I felt myself grow in these 3 days. I rubbed shoulders with some of the most famous and powerful men and women in the nation and conveyed our message. I also saw first hand the resource constraints that IV has and how they figure something out and make it happen. Trust me folks, it is not easy to work thanklessly for days on end for 18 hours and still keep a cheerful demeanor but they did. My sincere thanks to IV leadership, all the fellow volunteers and all monetary contributers for allowing me such a great opportunity. Part of me hopes that we never have to do this again, but that hope also makes me sad that I probably wont get to experience a full gamut of feelings again.
1. Anxiety: On Sunday, as I was making my way towards Hyatt Regency on the Capitol Hill (a beautiful and an expensive hotel) I was a little anxious about meeting new people (I am a closet introvert :D ). I was not sure if the people would just continue the non-productive conversations about Eb3 vs EB2 or India vs ROW or just be plain annoying. Boy, was I wrong!!! That anxiety disappeared in a matter of minutes after walking in the situation room. The folks were dedicated and meant business. The leadership of the core group was evident, they made sure that we didn't go off message, relatively an easy task for them since most of us there realized the importance of keeping on message.
2.Excitement: As we started the training, people started pouring great ideas (and few not so great IMHO).The trainer in chief chased each of these ideas to its logical conclusion and without saying whether they had merit or not made it obvious for us to decide. How classy and what a phenomenal coaching style!. The talking points that we discussed were articulated meticulously and question/comments were dealt with insight, experience and facts (this one is very important, we all know what opinions are like...). This was the one feeling (excitement) that lasted through the 3 days and I still cant shake it off (not that I am trying, but I don't want people to confuse me for the energizer bunny!! - we have some one else for that ;))
3.Nervousness: The first meeting. No, no not with the folks from Congress, but the mock meeting at the training session. The veterans gave us a demonstration of their insights/ knowledge and quick wit. So of course I was nervous coming in after that performance. I volunteered to be on the first ones of these mock sessions and felt all eyes in the room on me. I tried to focus on the task at hand (which was at that time, to stop my legs from shaking ;)). Perhaps, the mock session was the toughest of all the meetings that I had on the hill (remember that the hotel was 'on the hill' too :)).
4.Awesomeness: This is what it was all about. For me as a first timer, entering the hallowed halls of congress and participating in the democratic process up close and personal is an awesome feeling. Just walking down those corridors and noticing the closed doors with signs that say 'Appropriations Committee', or 'Democratic Caucus' and knowing that laws that affect lives of more than 300 million people are being crafted, debated and being voted on right there....what a rush. I think this too will be with me for a long long time.
5.Camaraderie: This is a fun bunch of serious people on a mission. I think mostly everyone hit off well with everyone else. I made a whole bunch of acquaintances that I feel could mature into strong friendships. Even though we worked our collective butts off, there was always light hearted humor floating around. It was great.
6.Gratitude: Looking at the hard work put in by the countless tireless volunteers was a humbling experience. These very kind souls put in hour after hour of work during the event but they put in even more before the event started. I don't know, if the rest of you know, organizing an event at such a scale is a massive undertaking and despite hiccups we came out the other end in great shape. My gratitude goes to all the people that put their hearts, minds and souls in allowing our community to participate in the democratic process at the highest level. Thanks for making this happen.
Why am I writing this you wonder (or may be not). This event changed me. I felt myself grow in these 3 days. I rubbed shoulders with some of the most famous and powerful men and women in the nation and conveyed our message. I also saw first hand the resource constraints that IV has and how they figure something out and make it happen. Trust me folks, it is not easy to work thanklessly for days on end for 18 hours and still keep a cheerful demeanor but they did. My sincere thanks to IV leadership, all the fellow volunteers and all monetary contributers for allowing me such a great opportunity. Part of me hopes that we never have to do this again, but that hope also makes me sad that I probably wont get to experience a full gamut of feelings again.
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McLuvin
05-11 01:49 PM
Folks, please stop this infighting and try to concentrate all your frustrations in a single direction.
This infighting is not going to take us anywere... If some anti-immigrant happens to read this thread... he would serious think about reducing his decibell levels... The reason being... he would easily be able to read that there is a big level of difference between us folks.
Lets not fight... Please for once lets act as grown ups.
BR
This infighting is not going to take us anywere... If some anti-immigrant happens to read this thread... he would serious think about reducing his decibell levels... The reason being... he would easily be able to read that there is a big level of difference between us folks.
Lets not fight... Please for once lets act as grown ups.
BR
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12-04 10:01 AM
from the story "Turns out Chac�n owed more than $1,000 in fines for driving without a license and had a misdemeanor shoplifting charge."
Can a country function properly when 7-11 million people in the country break the law on a daily basis?
Can a country function properly when 7-11 million people in the country break the law on a daily basis?
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permfiling
11-21 02:32 PM
Nice idea folks.
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deecha
07-20 02:05 AM
Hi Everybody,
I would like to start this thread for the benefit of people who do not have a straightforward immigration history. In a nutshell, I hope in the future this thread will serve to provide information and advice on
Out of Status issues - Inconsistency with what's stamped in the passport and what you're actually doing
Unlawful Stay - Stay beyond the date in the I-94 card
The main focus will be on what these things can do to your i) AOS/CP filings ;and/or ii) future non-immigrant visas.
I came to this country because of a twist of fate and had zero knowledge of the immigration laws here. Through the school of hard knocks, I have gained considerable knowledge about this convoluted process that affects us all and hopefully what I learnt will be of use to other people in the same boat.
A special mention goes out to "unitednations" for his skill and knowledge about various issues. Thanks buddy, you're a huge asset to all of us.
I would like to start this thread for the benefit of people who do not have a straightforward immigration history. In a nutshell, I hope in the future this thread will serve to provide information and advice on
Out of Status issues - Inconsistency with what's stamped in the passport and what you're actually doing
Unlawful Stay - Stay beyond the date in the I-94 card
The main focus will be on what these things can do to your i) AOS/CP filings ;and/or ii) future non-immigrant visas.
I came to this country because of a twist of fate and had zero knowledge of the immigration laws here. Through the school of hard knocks, I have gained considerable knowledge about this convoluted process that affects us all and hopefully what I learnt will be of use to other people in the same boat.
A special mention goes out to "unitednations" for his skill and knowledge about various issues. Thanks buddy, you're a huge asset to all of us.
PlainSpeak
04-15 09:25 PM
What US will do is also non-deterministic. To gauge it, you can only try to understand the sentiments currently running in politics. Anyway, if you look at the issue I am bringing up, it has the potential to grant everyone their freedom. But maybe I am talking to the wrong person, because you already have your EAD .. well your brains are also welcome in solving the puzzle
US will do what US has to do for the benefit of US. Sentiments do not have any scope here and politics is well politics.
I disagree that there is any potential for freedom for everyone. You are short sighted and looking at a short term scenario. Things never go according to a plan trust an and you are asking me this plan when you yourselves cannot confirm if it will work for everyone.
Yes i have EAD but EB2 will get GC and i will still be stuck on EAD. So the bottom line is GC and in that EB2 has everything sewed up. Now why would EB2 need additional 50 K visas. They should be allocated from bottom to top approach
US will do what US has to do for the benefit of US. Sentiments do not have any scope here and politics is well politics.
I disagree that there is any potential for freedom for everyone. You are short sighted and looking at a short term scenario. Things never go according to a plan trust an and you are asking me this plan when you yourselves cannot confirm if it will work for everyone.
Yes i have EAD but EB2 will get GC and i will still be stuck on EAD. So the bottom line is GC and in that EB2 has everything sewed up. Now why would EB2 need additional 50 K visas. They should be allocated from bottom to top approach
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jsb
08-12 04:21 PM
I believe if the case has been pre-adjudicated then it shouldn't matter whats the RD and ND. They will probably approve based on Priority date. Earlier PDs get approved first. But who knows, its USCIS.
dwuser's case does not seem to have been preadjudicated, as his/her ND is not within the published current processing dates by TSC. For preadjudicated cases PD should be the priority for visa issues.
dwuser's case does not seem to have been preadjudicated, as his/her ND is not within the published current processing dates by TSC. For preadjudicated cases PD should be the priority for visa issues.
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cheg
07-17 06:59 PM
thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IV deserves only the best!!! I will start contributing because this organization helps a lot of people and we still have a long journey ahead of us. :)
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nareshg
07-06 03:31 PM
send flowers for 9.99 with a special coupon
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also
http://ww21.1800flowers.com/dataset.do?dataset=10565&cm_mmc=tagged-_-na-_-na-_-na&bannerBeacon=true
Not trying to stress on the price...but just a question ...can we get it for this price ? less thatn 10 ? I am not able to see any under 30 $
Basically might be better to send 2 for 10$ rather than 1 for 20$ ....or say 5 for 10$ rather than 1 for 50$......
guess the quantity matters....so if let us know where you can get cheapest so we can send more....
I think the idea is quite good....we are on indiatimes and so many desis here read indiatimes and the awareness is going to increase....
all the best to all of us -:)
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also
http://ww21.1800flowers.com/dataset.do?dataset=10565&cm_mmc=tagged-_-na-_-na-_-na&bannerBeacon=true
Not trying to stress on the price...but just a question ...can we get it for this price ? less thatn 10 ? I am not able to see any under 30 $
Basically might be better to send 2 for 10$ rather than 1 for 20$ ....or say 5 for 10$ rather than 1 for 50$......
guess the quantity matters....so if let us know where you can get cheapest so we can send more....
I think the idea is quite good....we are on indiatimes and so many desis here read indiatimes and the awareness is going to increase....
all the best to all of us -:)
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pr02
06-20 11:00 AM
Thanks for the detailed answer. I think I will get this done after filing for 485. I have to get the passport renewed next year any way. May be they can do both at the same time.
Following up on my previous post. Here is the format for the ad and the affidavit. We went to the DC embassy to get the name changed and they have next day (business days only) passport-by-mail service. I don't think they have same day service.
Actual correct name: <corr_first_name> <corr_last_name>
Current Name on passport: <first_name_pp>
Name in US docs (Visa, SSN, Drivers Lic.):
<first_name_us> FNU _OR_ <first_name_us> <first_name_us>
Format of the ad we placed in Indian newspaper (TOI) and local US newspaper:
I, <first_name_pp> AKA <first_name_us> FNU AKA <first_name_us> <first_name_us> d/o <dads_name> R/o <indian_address/us_address> have changed my name to <corr_first_name> <corr_last_name>.
Format of Affidavit from India (on Rs. 10 Non Judicial Stamp Paper):
AFFIDAVIT
I, <first_name_pp>, D/o <dads_name>, R/o <indian_address>, do hereby take oath and solemnly declare as under:-
1. That I have declared my name as <first_name_us> <first_name_us> earlier.
2. That I have declared my name as <first_name_us> FNU earlier.
3. That now I want to change my name from <first_name_pp> to <corr_first_name> <corr_last_name>.
4. That in future I may be called as <corr_first_name> <corr_last_name> for all purposes
DEPONENT
VERIFICATION:
Verified at <city_name> on this <date> that the contents of the above affidavit are true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief.
DEPONENT
The deponent above is the person whose name is being changed. Since my wife was here and the affidavit was to be made in India, my mother-in-law signed on my wifes behalf ...you know what I am saying... (ah! the things you can get done in India)
We found out at the embassy that we could have used our India issued marriage certificate (which had my wifes correct name) and avoid doing all this. Placing the ad, getting the affidavit and posting it to US all took a total of 1 week. We went to the DC embassy early on a Friday and we got the passport with the name changed via mail by Monday.
Another friend of mine got the same thing done via the mail-in service. It took him 2 weeks to get the passport back.
Hope this helps.
Following up on my previous post. Here is the format for the ad and the affidavit. We went to the DC embassy to get the name changed and they have next day (business days only) passport-by-mail service. I don't think they have same day service.
Actual correct name: <corr_first_name> <corr_last_name>
Current Name on passport: <first_name_pp>
Name in US docs (Visa, SSN, Drivers Lic.):
<first_name_us> FNU _OR_ <first_name_us> <first_name_us>
Format of the ad we placed in Indian newspaper (TOI) and local US newspaper:
I, <first_name_pp> AKA <first_name_us> FNU AKA <first_name_us> <first_name_us> d/o <dads_name> R/o <indian_address/us_address> have changed my name to <corr_first_name> <corr_last_name>.
Format of Affidavit from India (on Rs. 10 Non Judicial Stamp Paper):
AFFIDAVIT
I, <first_name_pp>, D/o <dads_name>, R/o <indian_address>, do hereby take oath and solemnly declare as under:-
1. That I have declared my name as <first_name_us> <first_name_us> earlier.
2. That I have declared my name as <first_name_us> FNU earlier.
3. That now I want to change my name from <first_name_pp> to <corr_first_name> <corr_last_name>.
4. That in future I may be called as <corr_first_name> <corr_last_name> for all purposes
DEPONENT
VERIFICATION:
Verified at <city_name> on this <date> that the contents of the above affidavit are true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief.
DEPONENT
The deponent above is the person whose name is being changed. Since my wife was here and the affidavit was to be made in India, my mother-in-law signed on my wifes behalf ...you know what I am saying... (ah! the things you can get done in India)
We found out at the embassy that we could have used our India issued marriage certificate (which had my wifes correct name) and avoid doing all this. Placing the ad, getting the affidavit and posting it to US all took a total of 1 week. We went to the DC embassy early on a Friday and we got the passport with the name changed via mail by Monday.
Another friend of mine got the same thing done via the mail-in service. It took him 2 weeks to get the passport back.
Hope this helps.
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texanguy
08-21 05:18 PM
one more thing...
How come a DOS memo lands on a USCIS officer's desk. It has to be a USCIS memo.
This is totally fake...
How come a DOS memo lands on a USCIS officer's desk. It has to be a USCIS memo.
This is totally fake...
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av2004
06-18 12:12 PM
Logiclife, thank you very much for the encouraging words and your commitment to our cause.
I had the good fortune of attending the IV Advocacy days (albeit only for one day) in DC and walking side by side with great people such as logiclife, Aman etc. and experiencing the amazing feat performed by most of the members (naming a few, please feel free to add more...):
Contacting the lawmakers, confirming appointments.
Being cheerful, yet completely focussed on the task at hand.
Being mindful of what to mention to the lawmakers or their representatives.
All this was accomplished with the limited resources that IV has in terms of volunteer and monetary support. I, like many of the people here, was skeptical of how IV spends the money that is being donated by many donors we see on this forum. It was an eye opener to me when heard that we are doing the advocacy event after 3 long years because of the limited resources we have. I mean, think the 40,000+ users we have on this forum. If each one of us members donated $1, it would have pretty much covered the advocacy day costs. Instead, I read that we could collect only $20,000 for this event (even after most of people paid $50 at a minimum!).
I am not a donor on this forum yet, but I would like to be one just to support the activities of IV. I am more than convinced that the money I will spend will be put to good use for the good of this community. Mind you, many of the IV advocacy day volunteers had already received their green cards, yet they are fighting for me and you. What good would it be if we still continue to sit on the side and not support such wholesome activities made by these sincere guys? Hats off to IV (and the leaders of IV) for providing us with a great platform and opportunities to make an impact and make out issues heard by the lawmakers.
So, I request you all to take some action to help IV and help yourself, in turn. If you have any misgivings, by all means direct questions to any of the IV leaders and I am sure they can provide answers..
Lastly, I really liked the "passion" part of logiclife's message very much and would like to end with a quote about passion:
"Swami Vivekananda said, "Give me men of passion." Passion means a passionate nature, that if I do this, I must do it perfectly. I must do it as well as I can. I must do it now. And promises do not constitute work. He who wants to give must give now."
Be Unreasonable & a cause of progress, not just a beneficiary.
Hello everyone,
I will explain the title of this thread in a minute (the unreasonable part) but before that I would like to share my experience in DC last week during, before and after lobby days.
A few weeks ago, when Aman called me to join him in lobby days, just like many others, I was having a difficult time scheduling vacation days off from work. I somehow convinced my boss to let me take those days off and finish the work in the weekend prior to June.
The Airport pickup:
When I reached the Airport, Aman and Pratik were there to pick me up. And this is where it got funny and really hilarious. The car was a compact rental car and it was full of printers, laptops and folders -- all in preparation of lobby day. There was barely enough place to sit in the car. After shutting all the doors tight (we really had to compress the luggage and force the door shut) we started driving towards the hotel. And the dome light would not shut off. So everyone outside can see a car full of luggage, printers and people packed like a can of sardines. Fortunately Aman knew the way to the Hotel and we could go there without having to stop for directions.
Preparation and training on Sunday:
Sunday was hectic, busy, tiring and very very interesting. I met a lot of new people on Sunday who had come to DC for the first time. And it felt really really good to reconnect with people who we had met earlier in 2007 rally in DC and the earlier rally in San Jose in July. Just felt like I had met my friends from college with whom I spend 4 years. The kind of relationship and chemistry that we have is impossible to describe in words. Crisis and calamity have a way of creating bonds that last a lifetime. We all may get green-cards in next 1 year or maybe 10 years. But I will remember the people I met in DC twice and in San Jose for the rest of my life. And I am sure others feel the same way. These are the people who were sitting on the laptop scheduling lawmaker meetings and connecting members to appointments till 4:00 AM on Monday morning and then back to work by 8:00 AM. We ate whatever was ordered or whatever we found in the hotel. There were people printing business cards in one corner. Others were printing the drop-off material for lawmakers, preparing neat folders for meetings. There was training and mock-meetings going on in another corner for people who had never been to the Capitol Hill before. There was so much purpose and so much goal-oriented motivation in the room, I felt really glad to have not missed this even one out of 3 times we done this both in DC and in San Jose.
The next two days:
Over the next two days, I went to about 7 meetings in the House and Senate side and had very very interesting experiences, mostly positive. I cannot share the details of the response for each office as this is a public forum, but I can tell you that having been to DC about 6 times now since 2006, there are Hill Staffers who know many of us and even remember our names. Our conversations do not begin with introductions, but where we left off in our last meeting. More than 60-70% of the offices of Congressmen and Senators know about Immigration Voice and know about the issue. Some offices may have newer staff and not know, and that's where education helps.
Every single day consisted of going to the Hill from the situation room, (I mostly took a cab, I am lazy that way even if its only 4 blocks), coming back, getting some work done, going back to the Hill, accompanying someone if they are alone in the meetings (it helps to have 2 or more IV members go to a meeting). We worked till 11 PM mostly, and got about 4-5 hours of sleep each night. And that is true for everyone who was there. EVERY SINGLE one. Walking between the office buildings (and they are big) and walking a few times back to the Hotel also made some of us realize (like me) that how out of shape we are physically :):)
And now to the UNreasonables:
Every single person who came to DC this time or the time before, or who came to San Jose rally has been told by friends, family and colleagues "Why are you going to DC, let others go, take care of yourself, all problems get fixed eventually, Congress will take care of it".
They sound very reasonable or try to convince you that they are the reasonable ones and you are being unreasonable by going to the Capitol and working on your cause.
The truth is...yes, we may be. But we are the ones who will eventually make a difference. If you read the quote from George Bernard Shaw, you will realize that the reasonable men and women will sit around and talk about us, save their time for family and leisure and comply themselves to the system. They will comply themselves to a system that keeps in hanging without a green card for 20 years. They will never be capable of ushering progress.
The unreasonable ones, the ones like us, who contribute to this cause in various forms, are the gifted ones. We are the lucky ones. For we have the wisdom and the strength to do the unreasonable and get the world to comply to our point of view.
And flower campaign, the DC rally -- that got bulletin reversed in 2007,
the popularity of removing per-country ceilings in the offices that exist today and didnt exist before --
All this a work of men and women like us who are unreasonably resilient, who will not listen to the advise of reasonable men who sit on the sidelines and refresh the Visa Bulletin page every first friday of every month 20 times a day.
But to those who get it...I have one more quote for you, a final one, I promise:
I wish the problem of greencard backlogs get cleared soon, but if it doesnt, I will do this a 100 times again and with same or more passion, determination and purpose. Our energy and determination would outlast and outlive the intertia of Congress.
I had the good fortune of attending the IV Advocacy days (albeit only for one day) in DC and walking side by side with great people such as logiclife, Aman etc. and experiencing the amazing feat performed by most of the members (naming a few, please feel free to add more...):
Contacting the lawmakers, confirming appointments.
Being cheerful, yet completely focussed on the task at hand.
Being mindful of what to mention to the lawmakers or their representatives.
All this was accomplished with the limited resources that IV has in terms of volunteer and monetary support. I, like many of the people here, was skeptical of how IV spends the money that is being donated by many donors we see on this forum. It was an eye opener to me when heard that we are doing the advocacy event after 3 long years because of the limited resources we have. I mean, think the 40,000+ users we have on this forum. If each one of us members donated $1, it would have pretty much covered the advocacy day costs. Instead, I read that we could collect only $20,000 for this event (even after most of people paid $50 at a minimum!).
I am not a donor on this forum yet, but I would like to be one just to support the activities of IV. I am more than convinced that the money I will spend will be put to good use for the good of this community. Mind you, many of the IV advocacy day volunteers had already received their green cards, yet they are fighting for me and you. What good would it be if we still continue to sit on the side and not support such wholesome activities made by these sincere guys? Hats off to IV (and the leaders of IV) for providing us with a great platform and opportunities to make an impact and make out issues heard by the lawmakers.
So, I request you all to take some action to help IV and help yourself, in turn. If you have any misgivings, by all means direct questions to any of the IV leaders and I am sure they can provide answers..
Lastly, I really liked the "passion" part of logiclife's message very much and would like to end with a quote about passion:
"Swami Vivekananda said, "Give me men of passion." Passion means a passionate nature, that if I do this, I must do it perfectly. I must do it as well as I can. I must do it now. And promises do not constitute work. He who wants to give must give now."
Be Unreasonable & a cause of progress, not just a beneficiary.
Hello everyone,
I will explain the title of this thread in a minute (the unreasonable part) but before that I would like to share my experience in DC last week during, before and after lobby days.
A few weeks ago, when Aman called me to join him in lobby days, just like many others, I was having a difficult time scheduling vacation days off from work. I somehow convinced my boss to let me take those days off and finish the work in the weekend prior to June.
The Airport pickup:
When I reached the Airport, Aman and Pratik were there to pick me up. And this is where it got funny and really hilarious. The car was a compact rental car and it was full of printers, laptops and folders -- all in preparation of lobby day. There was barely enough place to sit in the car. After shutting all the doors tight (we really had to compress the luggage and force the door shut) we started driving towards the hotel. And the dome light would not shut off. So everyone outside can see a car full of luggage, printers and people packed like a can of sardines. Fortunately Aman knew the way to the Hotel and we could go there without having to stop for directions.
Preparation and training on Sunday:
Sunday was hectic, busy, tiring and very very interesting. I met a lot of new people on Sunday who had come to DC for the first time. And it felt really really good to reconnect with people who we had met earlier in 2007 rally in DC and the earlier rally in San Jose in July. Just felt like I had met my friends from college with whom I spend 4 years. The kind of relationship and chemistry that we have is impossible to describe in words. Crisis and calamity have a way of creating bonds that last a lifetime. We all may get green-cards in next 1 year or maybe 10 years. But I will remember the people I met in DC twice and in San Jose for the rest of my life. And I am sure others feel the same way. These are the people who were sitting on the laptop scheduling lawmaker meetings and connecting members to appointments till 4:00 AM on Monday morning and then back to work by 8:00 AM. We ate whatever was ordered or whatever we found in the hotel. There were people printing business cards in one corner. Others were printing the drop-off material for lawmakers, preparing neat folders for meetings. There was training and mock-meetings going on in another corner for people who had never been to the Capitol Hill before. There was so much purpose and so much goal-oriented motivation in the room, I felt really glad to have not missed this even one out of 3 times we done this both in DC and in San Jose.
The next two days:
Over the next two days, I went to about 7 meetings in the House and Senate side and had very very interesting experiences, mostly positive. I cannot share the details of the response for each office as this is a public forum, but I can tell you that having been to DC about 6 times now since 2006, there are Hill Staffers who know many of us and even remember our names. Our conversations do not begin with introductions, but where we left off in our last meeting. More than 60-70% of the offices of Congressmen and Senators know about Immigration Voice and know about the issue. Some offices may have newer staff and not know, and that's where education helps.
Every single day consisted of going to the Hill from the situation room, (I mostly took a cab, I am lazy that way even if its only 4 blocks), coming back, getting some work done, going back to the Hill, accompanying someone if they are alone in the meetings (it helps to have 2 or more IV members go to a meeting). We worked till 11 PM mostly, and got about 4-5 hours of sleep each night. And that is true for everyone who was there. EVERY SINGLE one. Walking between the office buildings (and they are big) and walking a few times back to the Hotel also made some of us realize (like me) that how out of shape we are physically :):)
And now to the UNreasonables:
Every single person who came to DC this time or the time before, or who came to San Jose rally has been told by friends, family and colleagues "Why are you going to DC, let others go, take care of yourself, all problems get fixed eventually, Congress will take care of it".
They sound very reasonable or try to convince you that they are the reasonable ones and you are being unreasonable by going to the Capitol and working on your cause.
The truth is...yes, we may be. But we are the ones who will eventually make a difference. If you read the quote from George Bernard Shaw, you will realize that the reasonable men and women will sit around and talk about us, save their time for family and leisure and comply themselves to the system. They will comply themselves to a system that keeps in hanging without a green card for 20 years. They will never be capable of ushering progress.
The unreasonable ones, the ones like us, who contribute to this cause in various forms, are the gifted ones. We are the lucky ones. For we have the wisdom and the strength to do the unreasonable and get the world to comply to our point of view.
And flower campaign, the DC rally -- that got bulletin reversed in 2007,
the popularity of removing per-country ceilings in the offices that exist today and didnt exist before --
All this a work of men and women like us who are unreasonably resilient, who will not listen to the advise of reasonable men who sit on the sidelines and refresh the Visa Bulletin page every first friday of every month 20 times a day.
But to those who get it...I have one more quote for you, a final one, I promise:
I wish the problem of greencard backlogs get cleared soon, but if it doesnt, I will do this a 100 times again and with same or more passion, determination and purpose. Our energy and determination would outlast and outlive the intertia of Congress.
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anilsal
09-08 12:17 AM
look at the filth that is bestowed upon you from everyone -
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13125
ur employer treats u like shit, people here don't want u here, government don't want to listen to u. disgusting. why do u even exist?
Wonder why your database is still under construction? Not enough skilled people around to do the so called construction? Maybe temporary workers?
http://zazona.com/LCA-Data/DataMaintenance.htm
The same logic applies to every business in the US that is trying to rely on temporary workers to meet the demands of a global economy.
Stop the following - this is my country, that is your country, this is our job, that is your job. Think of a global economy.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13125
ur employer treats u like shit, people here don't want u here, government don't want to listen to u. disgusting. why do u even exist?
Wonder why your database is still under construction? Not enough skilled people around to do the so called construction? Maybe temporary workers?
http://zazona.com/LCA-Data/DataMaintenance.htm
The same logic applies to every business in the US that is trying to rely on temporary workers to meet the demands of a global economy.
Stop the following - this is my country, that is your country, this is our job, that is your job. Think of a global economy.
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vin13
02-26 12:57 PM
Since AILA has also taken interest into a proposal like this Don't you think we should engage them in planning the next strategy.
http://www.ilw.com/articles/2009,0225-endelman.shtm
The link you have posted seems to talk about allowing to file for 485 even though the priority date may not be current.
It would be difficult to combine both the proposals. The combination would mean that everyone would enjoy the benefits of being allowed to continue living and working in the country with no annual limit. Which basically means no control of immigrants.
I am not in anyway opposing this. But we need to look at it based on how the decision makers are going to perceive it.
I feel what is being proposed by 'realizeit' is realistic and will not hamper the annual limits. It would be good if someone has contacts with the AILA and can persue the matter as a coalition effort.
http://www.ilw.com/articles/2009,0225-endelman.shtm
The link you have posted seems to talk about allowing to file for 485 even though the priority date may not be current.
It would be difficult to combine both the proposals. The combination would mean that everyone would enjoy the benefits of being allowed to continue living and working in the country with no annual limit. Which basically means no control of immigrants.
I am not in anyway opposing this. But we need to look at it based on how the decision makers are going to perceive it.
I feel what is being proposed by 'realizeit' is realistic and will not hamper the annual limits. It would be good if someone has contacts with the AILA and can persue the matter as a coalition effort.
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gsc999
06-15 12:57 PM
It was inspiring to see some of the returning folks from 2007 and also to see a lot of new IVians/ IVers. Hats off to you all for your service to this good cause. May god bless America and may god bless you all.
We have come a long way since Aman a few other brave folks came together to form this group in 2005. Only in America can a truly grassroots organization unite diverse people from different countries, backgrounds, genders and race allowing them to feel empowered and showcase their issues and problems to the venerable American institutions like the Congress and the Senate. Unfortunately, issues faced by the High skilled legal immigrants have been a low priority. As future Americans, only thing we can do is make them aware about our issues. Hopefully, the lawmakers will act, sooner than later, in American interest to salvage the sinking oil well of legal immigration system.
A few brave souls whispered about the current financial crisis before it arrived at the American shores but we all ignored those pleas and warnings. Here we are again. This time the stakes are higher, it is not just about our green cards but it is about American competitiveness and American values. Will the next generation of Americans be able to look each other in the eye and boldly say, yes, we can do the right thing. Our principles were tested but we did the right thing. It took time but we did the right thing.
As legal high skilled immigrants we can do so much. Provide facts to counter opinions. Organize advocacy events to counter demagoguery. Hopefully, all this will become sweet nostalgia where we all reminisce about the long hardships we braved and in the end the American dream did turn into a reality instead of a nightmare like the BP oil spill.
I just heard that a friend moved to Canada, Toronto. He had a baby last year. I was excited for him then. Now, I feel sad, not because I lost a close-by friend here in America but because he always did the right thing. Always followed the rule of law worked hard but in exchange he left empty handed from this great country where he had come to make his fortune and contribute in many ways through his talents to this land. All because of the currently broken legal immigration system.
Economic scenarios are changing. Top talent is becoming a scare commodity. Laws of demand and supply will eventually win. Resource and talent hungry countries are starting to compete among themselves to attract and retain the best and the brightest. The canary in the coal mine is singing softly but hopefully the miners are listening.
We have come a long way since Aman a few other brave folks came together to form this group in 2005. Only in America can a truly grassroots organization unite diverse people from different countries, backgrounds, genders and race allowing them to feel empowered and showcase their issues and problems to the venerable American institutions like the Congress and the Senate. Unfortunately, issues faced by the High skilled legal immigrants have been a low priority. As future Americans, only thing we can do is make them aware about our issues. Hopefully, the lawmakers will act, sooner than later, in American interest to salvage the sinking oil well of legal immigration system.
A few brave souls whispered about the current financial crisis before it arrived at the American shores but we all ignored those pleas and warnings. Here we are again. This time the stakes are higher, it is not just about our green cards but it is about American competitiveness and American values. Will the next generation of Americans be able to look each other in the eye and boldly say, yes, we can do the right thing. Our principles were tested but we did the right thing. It took time but we did the right thing.
As legal high skilled immigrants we can do so much. Provide facts to counter opinions. Organize advocacy events to counter demagoguery. Hopefully, all this will become sweet nostalgia where we all reminisce about the long hardships we braved and in the end the American dream did turn into a reality instead of a nightmare like the BP oil spill.
I just heard that a friend moved to Canada, Toronto. He had a baby last year. I was excited for him then. Now, I feel sad, not because I lost a close-by friend here in America but because he always did the right thing. Always followed the rule of law worked hard but in exchange he left empty handed from this great country where he had come to make his fortune and contribute in many ways through his talents to this land. All because of the currently broken legal immigration system.
Economic scenarios are changing. Top talent is becoming a scare commodity. Laws of demand and supply will eventually win. Resource and talent hungry countries are starting to compete among themselves to attract and retain the best and the brightest. The canary in the coal mine is singing softly but hopefully the miners are listening.
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paskal
07-11 12:54 PM
Off topic, but I'm confused in figuring out the standards for closing topics in this forum. I've seen threads with much lower tone, fewer personal attacks and cleaner language being called useless bickering and closed.
I don't mean anyone personally, and I can be wrong, but to me it seems like if the people involved are not moderators and expressing reasonable argument against an IV goal or IV practice it's quickly a target for closing. While if a moderator is involved and has enough supporters to overpower the other party, the thread is kept open with no problem even though it's the same level of bickering and insult exchange.
hey bfadlia,
how goes life with you? its human to see things through personal lenses. when you are involved in a thread and want a discussion you (or i) will always feel it is a target, if it gets clsoed....
personally i hate closing threads. i give tons of warnings and keep stating...i will close...but rarely do :-)
in this case, the effort is to bring the thread back to the original discussion, in deference to the original posters.
we seem to succeed intermittently....until we are thrown back OT :-)
hope it's a sunny warm MN weekend!
ps at the same time moderators are human too...and i don't think there has been much overpowering here, last i noted, i was the one apologising :-)
I don't mean anyone personally, and I can be wrong, but to me it seems like if the people involved are not moderators and expressing reasonable argument against an IV goal or IV practice it's quickly a target for closing. While if a moderator is involved and has enough supporters to overpower the other party, the thread is kept open with no problem even though it's the same level of bickering and insult exchange.
hey bfadlia,
how goes life with you? its human to see things through personal lenses. when you are involved in a thread and want a discussion you (or i) will always feel it is a target, if it gets clsoed....
personally i hate closing threads. i give tons of warnings and keep stating...i will close...but rarely do :-)
in this case, the effort is to bring the thread back to the original discussion, in deference to the original posters.
we seem to succeed intermittently....until we are thrown back OT :-)
hope it's a sunny warm MN weekend!
ps at the same time moderators are human too...and i don't think there has been much overpowering here, last i noted, i was the one apologising :-)
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ragz4u
04-19 10:46 AM
We need
1) More stories, preferably non IT or IT if it involves research. Please look at the first post in this thread for the format of the email.
2) All those who have sent stories in the past to me, please send us your phone numbers where we can call you and also our IV id. We might call you very soon.
Such opportunities do not come often...we can really be noticed Nationally if we are successful this time and it will help our cause immensely....please help yourselves....
1) More stories, preferably non IT or IT if it involves research. Please look at the first post in this thread for the format of the email.
2) All those who have sent stories in the past to me, please send us your phone numbers where we can call you and also our IV id. We might call you very soon.
Such opportunities do not come often...we can really be noticed Nationally if we are successful this time and it will help our cause immensely....please help yourselves....
homers
03-09 12:07 PM
Contributed $25 for the FOIA request drive.
s_r_e_e
11-11 05:10 PM
You cannot expect to report the crime/video to the cops without any repercussions for yourself. It is a federal felony to hire a foreigner without employment authorization (even if the person is not an illegal immigrant) - this means, if you are convicted, you can end up in prison, lose your property, pay fines and of course you will be deported. If you have been paying them and did not disclose this to the IRS, both you and they are liable for tax fraud, in addition. This is very serious. You should hire a lawyer if you want to deal with them legally.
I wonder where does people come up with such detailed info from. federal felony, lose your property , wow!!!! Even big corps hiring illegals getting away with just fines. Law Enforcement do not worry about the immigration status of the person. I know 2 incidents where my friends got in to car accidents with illegals . the other parties had no license, No id and No insurance. In both cases the cops weren't even bothered about their immigration status even though it was clear that they are illegals. cops gave ticket in some pseudo name they gave and they got away with no trace left.
I wonder where does people come up with such detailed info from. federal felony, lose your property , wow!!!! Even big corps hiring illegals getting away with just fines. Law Enforcement do not worry about the immigration status of the person. I know 2 incidents where my friends got in to car accidents with illegals . the other parties had no license, No id and No insurance. In both cases the cops weren't even bothered about their immigration status even though it was clear that they are illegals. cops gave ticket in some pseudo name they gave and they got away with no trace left.
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